Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (dukey33) — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:22:37 GMT

alepel wrote:

Sounds like someone could be working a on a kit to sell and I would buy the first one.

Kit?!? we don't need no steenkin' kit!

just MacGyver it man! 2 scotchlock splice connectors, a momentary switch (see radioshack, 12V rated up to 10A should be adequate), some 14g wire and a couple of connectors for the switch. Ok, add a zip tie to secure it in place. Heck , this may not even need...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:10:56 GMT

dukey33 wrote:
based on the image you provided, it should be real easy to splice in a momentary button to the relay harness and place it somewhere under the left sidecover.

Sounds like someone could be working a on a kit to sell and I would buy the first one.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (dukey33) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:40:37 GMT

based on the image you provided, it should be real easy to splice in a momentary button to the relay harness and place it somewhere under the left sidecover. pop the sidecover, turn on the key, push the button and prime the carbs. ya'll northern riders will have less to complain about in the springtime.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:53:38 GMT

Alepel,
I really don't think you can beat this method for ease of use. I took my seat off and jumped the right wires in less time than I would have spent finding my jumper cables

Chicago,
When you use the truck battery I'm guessing it will takes a while to get the Tourer started, right? You just then have the capacity to eventually get it started. I'm just want to make...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:17:41 GMT

Tony....you da Man! Thank you, it doesn't get any easier than this!

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:26:33 GMT

Chicago,
that's a good idea, it will take a long time for the tourers little starter to kill the truck battery. I don't think you stressed the not starting the truck enough. The regulator on the tourer (as with most motorcycles) will be damaged if the car/truck is running.

Alepel,

Here I have labeled the fuel pump relay.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:01:42 GMT

Chicago wrote:
I don't have a tender, so here's what I do. I give the battery a good 2-amp overnight charge, then hook jumper cables from my truck to the bike for the first start of the year. I don't start the truck, I just use it's huge battery to give the bike battery some help.

I've often wondered if it was possible to jump start a motorcycle off the car battery. I guess I now know.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (Chicago) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:53:01 GMT

I don't have a tender, so here's what I do. I give the battery a good 2-amp overnight charge, then hook jumper cables from my truck to the bike for the first start of the year. I don't start the truck, I just use it's huge battery to give the bike battery some help.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:38:56 GMT

I always use the tender all winter. That what was so frustrating, I'd have a good battery run it all the way down, charge it and just about run it down again before it would start after sitting. Our lowish capacity battery exasperated this situation. This weekend felt like a miracle that I had it running in 15 minutes.

Only the last two years have I started to use the stabiliser. I never really had a problem before. So I'm not quite sure why I started using it....

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:45:10 GMT

Well I'd be willing to bet that all the other Northerners use a battery tender on their Bikes so that when they go to start them in the Spring their batteries are all fully charged. I usually go out to the garage and pull the battery out of my bike on the first warm day in March or April and bring the battery into the house and charge it up.

This is going to be my first Spring with the Tourer so I have no idea of how it is going to awaken after its winter sleep. I did not prep...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:01:40 GMT

Hey I'm glad I can help. After all the hassle of starting the tourer for the first time last spring I can't believe that all the northerners don't find this fascinating.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:14:20 GMT

Tony....well that is good news that the relay is under the seat. If your going to take a picture that will be so much the better. Thanks Tony, your being quite helpful.

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:13:33 GMT

The relay is right under the seat. standing on the clutch side of the bike, looking down into the area under the seat; the relay is in the lower right corner. it's bracket is bolted to the rear cross member near the rear fender. it is held in a rubber band about 1" wide. it is roughly 1"x1"x1.5". it is very easy to get to all you remove is the seat. the pump is quite inaccessible under the air box but you will not need to get to it. I can't find a concise...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:38:14 GMT

Tony....thank you for the great description. You did a great job of describing the process.

I have one question....where is the relay and fuel pump? How hard is it to get to them? How much dis-assembly do I have to go through to get to them?

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:36:13 GMT

Alepel,

Ok you asked for it.

There are tree wires that lead to the fuel pump relay. Black, black with blue stripe and blue with yellow stripe. the black is the hot line coming from the fuse. the black with blue stripe heads off to the positive terminal of the pump; the pump is then grounded. and the blue with yellow stripe connects back to the coil and is grounded buy the ICM.

1. Remove the relay from its...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (alepel) — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:29:18 GMT

tonythecarguy wrote:

So I jumpered the wires as descried for the pump volume test in the shop manual, and turned on the key. The pump sprang to life.

Tony.....I've been following this thread with quite a bit of interest. I have had the same problems or concerns as you have about the long crank time when my Tourer...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:43:03 GMT

I had a chance to start up the T this Saturday. I decided to try out running the pump for a few seconds before attempting to start it. So I jumpered the wires as descried for the pump volume test in the shop manual, and turned on the key. The...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 11:47:05 GMT

thanks for the replies guys. i did think though a few more things. the relay is controlled by the ICM which grounds the coils. the coils fire when the ground is broken, so as RPM's go up the time the circuit is closed (activating the pump) is less, so my pulsing idea is junk; as rpm's goes up fuel delivery would go down. that said jumping the pump to on looks like an OK idea. the pressure should be low as the speck is .8 liters a minute for the pump. Buy chance i was looking though...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (bamaTrider) — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 22:47:25 GMT

It's a lot easier and safer to spray some WD40 into each spark plug hole, then hand installing the plugs. The WD40 not only will ignite, it will help lubricate the cylinder walls also. About a 5 second spray in each works good.

Another option is to spray it directly into each carbs forward boot. There is a vacuum port there that is used to synch the carbs. You would need to remove the screws from the sides of the boots and install a vacuum line orifice in it's place, add a...

Re: How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (Chicago) — Sat, 05 Jan 2008 06:49:18 GMT

alepel wrote:

I had not thought of this idea of spraying starting fluid into the carburetor. I know that after long idle periods the Tourer is rather stubborn to start. This sounds like a potential fix for that troublesome starting problem especially after the winter respite.

Are there any negatives or downsides to this idea?

I can think of two. First,...

How does the Tourer's fuel pump work?

feeds@yuku.com (tonythecarguy) — Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:13:08 GMT

I've been thinking about the logic of the Tourer fuel pump lately. It's been a long cold winter already. It was been discussed before how the Tourer takes a lot of cranking to get running if you let it stall at the end of a tank of gas and don't switch to reserve quickly (thus keeping it running). I have found the same thing when taking it out...