Hi, I'm just new here and with an AceT. The book said we need a special oil filter wrench and torque wrench to change oil. Is that just book talk and we can do it normally or do we really need special tools?
Thanks
Randy
Thanks
Randy
tools for changing oil
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 rango77 |
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Posts: 12 07/10/05 3:51 PM |
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gshown |
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Posts: 788 07/10/05 4:51 PM
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High Randy, Welcome aboard. To answer your question, it depends on your level of experience and/or common sence.
The 'special' tools you need are: 1. A 17mm box-end wrench (a lot of people still don't have much of a metric collection in their toolbox). 2. A filter wrench to fit your tiny filter. (It's only about 2 1/2 inches in diameter. Again, a lot of people don't have this size in their toolbox; however, an adjustable ban type with 2-3 inch range will work nicely on not only the T, but on any lawn mower/tractor.) 3 A torque wrench if you don't have any experience and/or common sence. (Torch specs are 29 N.m (3.0 kgf.m, 22 lbs.ft for the drain plug; 10 N.m (1.0 kgf.m, 7 lbs.ft for the filter) I have done it like the following for over 35 years and never had a problem: Always use a box-end wrench so that you don't damage the head of the drain plug. Replace the drain plug sealing washer every 24-25K. When you put the drain plug back on, tighten it enough to barely (and I mean barely) crush the sealing washer. When replacing the filter, ALWAYS cover the rubber o-ring and the filter threads with a light coat of oil. Screw the filter on as tight as you can with your weakest hand. DO NOT use a wrench!! Hand tight. This is the exact way I have changed the oil on every one of my cars and motorcycles. I have never had anything go wrong. I know this is a little more than you asked for, but when I have a correct answer I like to spell it out so that any one reading this may benefit. Good luck. Gary
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Skip MMShadowT |
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Posts: 5750 07/10/05 4:59 PM
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Welcome to the group Randy.
 I've always done my own oil change and I never used any "special" anything. Plain old oil filter wrench and a 13mm (correct me if I'm wrong guys, on the size) socket or open end wrench. The oil pan drain plug does take a metal washer. I believe the book calls to replace this washer every second oil change but they cost little of nothing so I replace mine at every change. Stop by the New Member Introduction Forum and give us some background. You know the regular who, what, where kind of stuff. |
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rango77 |
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Posts: 12 07/10/05 6:34 PM |
Thanks guys, that helps. Will look around this site when I get time. That was really nice to get answer.
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Dooley the Clown |
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Posts: 61 07/15/05 2:53 PM Road Captain |
OK, here it comes. Since the washer on the drain plug is a flat metal washer, why does it have to be changed if there is no damage?
Oh, and mine takes a 17mm wrench. And another thing, does anyone have any practical suggestions on how to get a wrench on the drain plug if you don't have a lift or other way to tie off the bike in a vertical position? To change my oil I have to get my wife to sit on the bike and hold it upright so there is enough room to move the wrench. She is, shall we say, vertically challenged at 5' 2" and can barely straddle my Mustang seat and keep both feet on the ground. With it on the stand, I don't have enough room for the wrench to move. Dooley the Clown |
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abikervotes |
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Posts: 252 07/15/05 4:03 PM Second Officer |
I admit, I have not had to oil-change-time on my T yet. That said, for getting at the drain plug may I suggest a "universal joint" (ole timers called it "mael-female joint") and a short extension. Tom in NC
 Tom in Yadkinville NC :grt
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gshown |
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Posts: 788 07/15/05 5:43 PM
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Hey Dooley, Here's a couple of ideas for you.
Because I don't have a garage, I built a 10 x 14 shed just for my T. I also have a trailer, so I have tie-down straps. Whenever I do some kind of maintenence like oil changes, I use the tie-down straps to stand the bike up straight in the middle of the shed. Now I'm not suggesting that you build a shed for yours, but you can use tie-down straps or ropes to tie off between two stationary objects (tree & picnic table, garage & pick-up, whatever). It's great for changing oils, either in the engine or the rearend. Secondly, it's not nearly as stable, but you can place something like a 2x4 under the stand; however, I suggest that you chock the wheels with it in gear in case you have to really tug on a tight bolt. Gary
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Arcacar9 |
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Posts: 40 07/15/05 11:24 PM Tail Gunner |
Washer is flat, but is thick. When you tighten it down, it will flatten more and fill in any uneven areas. After a few times of using it, it is totaly flat and crushed completely. Time for a new one. On my Wing I used the same washer for 100,000 miles before I remembered to buy a new one. Never leaked a drop. Always clean plug and washer before re-installing. Also, I use a special filter wrench I bought from local shop. Fits on the end of the Wing filter, which is the same filter on the 'T' . Not needed, just makes it easier to take old filter off. I change my oil after a long ride so oil and filter are very hot. This makes filter a little tighter from expansion(heat).
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rango77 |
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Posts: 12 07/16/05 2:42 AM |
I just changed my oil on the T and it was really easy. Filter came off and on by hand, just like I do on autos. My drain pan wouldn't fit under bike, so I pushed it up on a car ramp and put a block under side stand or kick stand and it was perfect for draining all the oil. Pan fit under and wrench fit under.
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 Fredrider |
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Posts: 6307 07/16/05 4:56 AM
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Dooley, I always change my T's oil with the bike on the side stand. I use a short (normal lenght) 17mm socket with a 3" extension to my 3/8" drive ratchet wrench. I have minimal trouble getting the socket on the drain bolt and no trouble loosening same.
I have over 65,000 miles on my T and have never replaced the drain bolt washer. My T does not leak oil. On none of my cars or motorcycles have I ever replaced the drain bolt washer. None of them has ever leaked, except my '57 Chevy, which if anybody knows them they always leak oil, but not from the drain bolt. Fred |
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Uncle Clay |
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Posts: 649 07/16/05 5:08 PM |
Well now seems you guys have all the oil change answers (most anyway) for me.
Now don't laugh to loud but I am still having a small problem in the oil change department. Where in the #*&%*# is the oil drain plug? I found the filter and the sending unit (oil pressure gauge) but have not located a drain plug on the bottom of the case where I would guesss that it would be. Ok I admit that I am  but at least I am trying  Uncle Clay Uncle Clay (cause Grand Pa Clay just don't sound right)
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Uncle Clay |
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Posts: 649 07/16/05 5:26 PM |
 I FOUND IT! Boy do I feel like an  Guess it makes since to put it on the side when you a draining it with your bike on the side stand. UC Uncle Clay (cause Grand Pa Clay just don't sound right)
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Skip MMShadowT |
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What's worse than not finding the drain plug is forgetting to put it back in before you start dumping in the oil. Talk about feeling like an
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Uncle Clay |
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Posts: 649 07/16/05 8:43 PM |
Thanks Skip,
YOu do know how to make a feller feal better  Uncle Clay (cause Grand Pa Clay just don't sound right)
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Putz0999_nuked_for_import1175276112 |
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Posts: 1604 07/17/05 7:29 AM
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 Skip... You crack me up. I guess we know one of the parts that got "Skipped". I forgot to put the washer on the plug one time. It leaked. I had to drain it, put the washer on and re-fill it. I felt kinda like a putz. Putz |
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Dooley the Clown |
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Posts: 61 07/18/05 6:42 PM Road Captain |
I tried using a 17 mm socket and every extension I had. I could get the socket on but no way was any thing else I had going to fit between the socket and the hose. I thought about one of the universals but did not have one. I think I will bet one before the next change.
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shadowrider53 |
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Posts: 117 07/23/05 12:44 AM Road Captain |
I use a 17mm six point socket and a short extension on my 3/8 ratchet like Fred does. It helps if you slide the hose protector up and away from the drain plug area, this looks like a slinky and will slide out of the way with no problem. This should give you plenty of room to get the socket in. It wont hurt to compress the hose a little if you have to. Hope this helps. ride safe, Terry
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gshown |
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Posts: 788 07/23/05 2:21 AM
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I still think a 17mm box-end wrench works best.
 Gary
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow.What A Ride!!! |
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