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HSATF Member Posts: 12 08/14/06 11:42 PM	Tags : None We went to a shindig put on by the ABATE of Ohio - Region Zero this past weekend. We had a great time, but there was something that came up during the weekend I am curiou s about. When they were announcing the results of the bike show, (I didn't enter mine) I found that out that they don't consider the T to be made in the US. Because they say the company is owned by a corporation that is outside of the US. I find this extremely frustrating because as far as I'm concerned Honda has American plants, American workers who get paid and spend American dollars on American soil. does anyone have any imput on this subject? And is anyone a member of ABATE? And if so what is the opinion of the members of your club? We were going to join, but decided not to because of the view and feelings that if you don't ride a Harley, you're hardly worth mentioning . Sally
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BeauJames	Re: ABATE	#1	[url]	[-]
HSATF Road Captain Posts: 375 08/15/06 12:06 AM Road Captain	Hey Sally Such is the life of a biker that doesn't ride "that other brand". I have only owned Hondas but most everyone I ride with, owns H-D and the jabs and jokes are all part of it. We have a great time and it's all in fun except when I am excluded from certain activities because I own a Honda. One night a few weeks ago, I was with some friends and we rode to another friends home because his father has just passed away. He is a member of a Christian Motorcycle Ministry that mainly ministers to the hard core 1%ers. He is accepted because he came from that lifestyle and has always rode H-D. As we were all talking to him, he said that under NO circumstances would they even talk to anyone who rode anything else which told me, I was not welcomed. So be it. Yes, to H-D riders, we are second class bikers because of what we ride but I ride what I like and I like what I ride. I do have to say that the folks I ride with have all been highly complimentary of my T. vaya con Dios Jim Upstate, SC 1998 Black and Chrome (the sexiest color) "If you want to hear God laugh, tell Him your plans"
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javarider	Re: ABATE	#2	[url]	[-]
HSATF Tail Gunner Posts: 57 08/15/06 12:39 AM Tail Gunner	Perhaps the reason that they don't want to associate with non-HD riders, is that they know they will never get to spend any quality time with them along the side of the road, keeping each others bike running! Scott
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alepel	Re: ABATE	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7863 08/15/06 2:35 AM	My immediate reaction upon reading this posting was a feeling of emotion. A feeling of us versus them. But then I thought about it a little more and I realized that I can't do that. My life's experience has taught me that you have to take each person one at a time. I've met a lot of fine Harley owners and developed wonderful friendships with them over the years. So with those memories I'm not going to let my emotions run away with me. Those are just my feelings and I'm not debating what has happened with anyone. alepel
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CleRider	Re: ABATE	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1904 08/15/06 3:04 AM	Sally, While I don't want to re-kindle the us vs. them arguement, I believe the T consists of more American made parts than 'the other brand'. I've heard stories where the shop hands of 'the other brand' have frantically run around the warehouse covering the 'Made In Mexico' labels on the sides of the boxes. With that aside, maybe a well written letter to ABATE would change their tune. Ask them if they realize that more riders choose 'non-american' bikes over 'the other brand'. Ask them if it's their intent to cater to the riders of 'the other brand' and if so, maybe they should change their charter and mission statement. "ABATE of Ohio, Inc. is a not-for-profit organization dedicated to preserving freedom of choice and promoting safe practices. We work to protect the rights of all motorcyclists by monitoring and lobbying legislative activities in regards to discriminatory laws affecting motorcycling. We support rider training, safety, and educational programs. ABATE welcomes all motorcyclist enthuses, 18 years or older."
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Fredrider	Re: ABATE	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5918 08/15/06 3:28 AM	Sally, there are certain models of Honda motorcycles that are only made in America, in Honda's Marysville, Ohio assembly plant. All 1100cc Shadows, all VTX's, all Valkyries and all Gold Wings are only made in America. Gold Wings are shipped all over the world, but they are only made in America. It is only the small minded people that think there is only one motorcycle worth owning or riding. When that kind of person grossly overpays for what they ride, what else can they do but convort only with others that have done the same. Thus they can collectively hold their heads high thinking they are the "special" ones. They are special, but probably not in the way they think. I agree with Alain. There are plenty of Harley owners and riders who do not act snobbishly, nor are do they exclude other riders. Those are the Harley owners who are secure in their own identity and realize that everybody that rides is someone worth knowing and take the time to greet and talk to riders of all brands of motorcycles. They are the ones that are enjoyable to interact with and which I embrace with open arms. Fred
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GaleRich	Re: ABATE - Honda made in america	#6	[url]	[-]
HSATF 2nd Officer Posts: 417 08/15/06 7:30 PM Road Captain	Interesting aregument about being "owned" by a foreign company. By that discription, many American factories cause their products to be "foreign". For example, Crysler, Jeep, Dodge, Firestone tires ... etc.... In addition, certain models of GM and Ford are imported. Many other "american" companies are now foriegn owned. Interesting note, when selling computers to the government the last few screws being installed in an American plant qualified and met the american made requirement for selling computers to the military. Back when I worked at a computer manufacturer, it cost us more to get a computer in several separate pieces then do final assembly than to get the whole assembled machine. But in pieces it qualified as american made. The Honda motorcycle factory and the honda motor factory in Ohio is as much or more american made than the HD factory. But I think someone hit it on the head in that there is a certain insecurity problem with some of the HD owners. Fortunately, none of my numerous HD friends fit that mold.
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hombldr	Re: ABATE - Honda made in america	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1898 08/15/06 7:38 PM First Officer	Those that fit that mold aren't folks I care to spend time around anyway so I see no problem except that small minority is so damned loud and obnoxious. Lou
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alepel	Re: ABATE	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7863 08/15/06 7:42 PM	*Quote:* I agree with Alain. There are plenty of Harley owners and riders who do not act snobbishly, nor are do they exclude other riders. Those are the Harley owners who are secure in their own identity and realize that everybody that rides is someone worth knowing and take the time to greet and talk to riders of all brands of motorcycles. They are the ones that are enjoyable to interact with and which I embrace with open arms. Fred....if I may be so bold as to suggest what I think you are describing....You are describing what I believe we call a 'Motorcyclist' as opposed to a 'Biker'. I'm not the first one to say this on the forum. It has been said and described better by another forum brother, but I want to paraphrase the point. A 'Motorcyclist' is a person who is interested in all motorcycles and all motorcyclists, and that person happens to ride a HD. A Biker might be described as one who rides a particular bike, perhaps a HD, and that bike is all that they need to know or care about. Alain
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Fredrider	Re: ABATE	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5918 08/15/06 11:11 PM	That seems aptly stated Alain. What I find hilarious are the H-D owners who very reluctantly consider V-Rods Harleys. They categorize them as German Harleys because Porsche designed the engine. I believe those are the same insecure H-D owners that look down their nose on other H-D owners who do not have the largest V-Twin for the model year. In other words they treat Sportster owners as second-class citizens. Is there any hope for a person like that? Fred
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danbgt	Re: ABATE	#10	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1919 08/15/06 11:18 PM	*Quote:* Is there any hope for a person like that? None! I know a couple of guys that were very, very disappointed in the treatment they received from their "fellow" HOG riders after bleeding through the nose for thier shiney new Sportsters. They were even more disappointed to discover that they could have had a bike like mine for less than half of what they had tied up in their Sporties. Live and learn? Some do.........some don't. Dan
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ksvalot	Re: ABATE	#11	[url]	[-]
HSATF Member Posts: 12 08/16/06 4:07 AM	Thanks for all your imput. I was just diasppointed that a club that I was intending to join had that type of attitude. The first two letters in ABATE stands for "American Bikers". To me that means ANY one that rides a motorcycle. Not someone who rides a certain type of bike. We decided not to join because of this attitude. At the time we were also told "We are lucky that they have the 'Import' class. I don't understand this type of attitude and don't need to put myself into positions where it is blatantly expressed. I guess we will have to look farther for another club. Sally
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hombldr	Re: ABATE	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1898 08/16/06 5:00 AM First Officer	You're in with a pretty good group right now. You may wish to check out the CARA club listed under this thread. Lou
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alepel	Re: ABATE	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7863 08/16/06 2:05 PM	Fred / Dan.....I was not aware that the V Rod and Sportster owners were being looked down upon by the Harley crowd. I don't understand the psychology of the mind in how this crowd must think. What's more it really doesn't concern me. Like is too short to be concerned about people who are so short-sighted. alepel
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CleRider	Re: ABATE	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1904 08/16/06 3:45 PM	Sorry if I take this off topic a little, but that's what I do best. Al, It goes farther than that. My sisters friend wanted to buy a HD a few years back. She went to Southeast HD and they wouldn't give her the time of day. She walked out and bought her HD from Heritage HD. She was pleased with their attention and her bike. She wanted to join the Southeast HOG club but was shunned because she bought her HD from a 'foreign' dealership. To her credit she told them it was not her fault that the Southeast dealership ignored her when she wanted to buy a bike and told them to stick it where the sun does not shine. Back on topic. I started looking into ABATE and found the following FAQ section amusing: Popular Misconceptions Misconception: I thought ABATE was only for Harley Riders? The Truth: You do NOT have to own a Harley-Davidson motorcycle to be a member of ABATE of Ohio, Inc. It doesn't matter what you ride, or even "if" you ride for that matter. ABATE of Ohio, Inc. is open to all persons 18 years and older having an interest in preserving personal freedoms, preserving the rights of motorcyclist, and sharing our goals. Owning a motorcycle is not necessary.
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Fredrider	Re: ABATE	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5918 08/16/06 6:19 PM	Andy, despite ABATE Ohio's statement I wonder if in their eyes if you do not own a Harley if it better to not own a bike or to own any brand other than Harley. Do they welcome Victory riders into their group? Fred
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