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HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 06/20/07 9:00 PM	Tags : None I think the stator gave up the ghost yesterday I am charging the battery and will check it out tomorrow. I replaced the 3 year old battery 2 days ago thinking it was the problem...NOPE 32,000 miles Has anyone checked into having their stator custom wound for more output ? Wonder if it's possible? Am I correct that the regulator only controls the flow of the electricity not total output ? There has to be a way to improve the T's charging system. I will be adding a trailer to the load soon so any improvement will be good. When we were kids we use to rewind our slot car motors for more speed, could it be that simple? Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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southside bob		#1	[url]	[-]
HSATF Tail Gunner Posts: 244 06/21/07 12:45 PM Road Captain	Hey there,I have talked to one small motorcycle shop and he said that he could rewind it with longer and thicker wire and I talked to another small motorcycle shop and he said he could get higher output for the problem were having with our bikes and the old goldwings.I talked to alot of people and alot of generator shops and I've done lots of research on line just to get these two leads.I haven't tried a rewind yet because mine is still producing - just border for my road lamps and stereo.So who know for sure if these will work-I just figured when mine went I'd give it a try.Its out there ya just got to find it.If you do and it works let us all know-thats the only really flaw to this bike that I know of but to me thats a big one and mine sit plugged in every night.Good look
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ngmcbiker		#2	[url]	[-]
HSATF Tail Gunner Posts: 140 06/21/07 5:22 PM	Re custom wound stators, I would be very careful. Our stators are located in a very unforgiving environment, with minimal clearances, high temperatures and major vibrations. The number of turns is critical to voltage output, larger wire with same number of turns means it all is bigger and since you don't know what kind of equipment he is using you won't know if it will fit. One solution for those with electronics is to power those of batteries. Not a great solution but keeps the load down some. Replace it with the Electrex from BikeBandit and just keep on with knees in the breeze. These bikes are not designed for much electrical and there is no real good way to retro them. I know for the GW1500 they make a bunch of different stators, but I do not know if any will fit. The regulator just makes it dc and keeps it around 13v or so. If the regulator is bad it can put out an incorrect voltage, say 10v or something. So, it theoretically could be the regulator, butttttttttt, based upon this forum, you need to change out the stator!
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ragtop69gs		#3	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 06/22/07 10:51 AM	I think I will be ordering the Electrex stator & regulator. I don't need to experiment and fry the wiring or start the bike on fire Maybe I'll get one of those current reducers too. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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Randy Mailloux		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 07/09/07 2:55 PM	I have had my bike 2 years and just put in my 2nd stator. I think the 1st one was an electrex. This time I sent one to a guy in Al to have it rewound. He claims it will be really good, as he uses really good wire and stuff. But I believe he told me there is no way to beef it up. He works very reasonable and fairly quick turnaround, so thought I would try his. I really wasn't running extra electric stuff, so don't know why they went bad, unless battery was bad, I guess that can cause it. I am pulling a trailer now, but I put LED's on trailer and in taillight of bike, so am using less electric than stock, so hoping it will last better now. Randy
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ragtop69gs		#5	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 07/09/07 6:00 PM	As it turns out I have not replaced the stator or regulator, The plug under the seat was toasted real good but the stator checked out to be good. I replaced the battery and cut out the bad factory plug and put in new insulated spade connectors, so far I have had no problems. I too will be pulling a trailer I just got. I have been looking for led's to replace the trailer lights. What bulb did you use in the bikes tail light? Have you found LED's for the turn signals? Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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Randy Mailloux		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 12 07/09/07 7:01 PM	I put led trailer lights (the whole thing) on and they look really good. For the bike, I just put 2 1157 led's in for now, not sure how they are yet. I guess all right, but I haven't been behind bike to see em. Thought about getting one of those that flashes and spins and all that, but was in a hurry, as we are going on a trip wed. I didn't get led's for turn signals, because you have to either add a load (which would defeat my purpose) or I think you can get a special flasher , but not sure if it works on the T. My shocks are set on 3, do I need to adjust them with 2 riders and trailer? Randy
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bamaTrider		#7	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 3993 07/09/07 11:03 PM	I was told that you can run LED signals on the trailer as long as you keep the stock signal bulbs on the bike. I have not tried it out yet though. I'm still trying to figure out how to get the #!%@$ trailer lights to work on my Wing. Stan "We are different - yet we are the same"* 2004 GL1800 Goldwing (Titanium) 1999 Ace Tourer (Silver over Black)
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ragtop69gs		#8	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 07/10/07 4:13 PM	My guess would be that the shocks will need to be at 5 for 2 up & a trailer. That's just a guess on my part though, because I still have not pulled my trailer yet. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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burninfilm		#9	[url]	[-]
HSATF 2nd Officer Posts: 480 07/10/07 9:52 PM Tail Gunner	I run my shocks on 5 all of the time, simply because I don't want to change the settings everytime my wife rides with me. I am 225# anyway and they seem just fine to me.. I would say two up and a trailer would definitely call for a 5..Bob <><
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mktobob		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2320 07/11/07 11:50 AM	Be careful with thinking about the effect a trailer will have on your suspension. Even if the loaded trailer weighs 300 pounds your tongue weight will only be about 30-35 pounds. That is all the extra weight you will be adding to your suspension. Two people and a trailer...yup probably a setting of five. One person and a trailer....probably not, unless you like a stiff suspension. All that being said....adding a 300 pound rolling trailer behind you does not decrease performance that much because you are not "carrying" it. What will decrease big time is your stopping capacity. Break plenty in advance as you will have a lot of weight pushing you from behind. Also, practice in the curves as again you will not be carrying a lot of extra weight but a whole lot of weight will be "pushing" you through the turns when you let up on the gas. Don't get me wrong, trailering is not necessarily dangerous...just different. Bob
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ragtop69gs		#11	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 07/11/07 4:14 PM	Bob, Thanks for your insights about trailering, any helpful pointers will help this NEWB make a safe transition into touring with a trailer. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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ngmcbiker		#12	[url]	[-]
HSATF Tail Gunner Posts: 140 07/13/07 6:17 PM	Something else to consider if the addittional wear on the clutch and the tranny. While it is true the bike is not 'carrying' the 300#, it is pulling that 300# and that will cause more wear on the clutch and tranny. Also, really really take the brakes comment to heart. The T brakes ain't all that great to begin with (compared to other mcs). Have fun and if you get near Dahlonega GA give me a holler.
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Chicago		#13	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1150 07/14/07 9:25 AM First Officer	ngmcbiker wrote: Also, really really take the brakes comment to heart. The T brakes ain't all that great to begin with (compared to other mcs). I don't know about that. My brake pads lasted 30,000 miles and I towed a trailer for at least 12,000 of them. I guesstimate they had about 5,000 more miles before they would hit the metal. You meet the nicest people on a Honda (forum).
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ragtop69gs		#14	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 08/29/07 7:30 PM	Well..... Here we are 2 months after I started this thread and my stator wires have fried again I just ordered a stator & regulator/rectifier , gaskets & shift shaft seal from ServiceHonda.com The bike was running and charging fine till today. I did nothing out of the ordinary so why all of a sudden melted wires again ? Guess I should have bought one of them unreliable Harley's Hey Putz wanna help do another stator job Beer & Steak's on me. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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ragtop69gs		#15	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 08/30/07 9:14 PM	I repaired the burnt connection (1) AGAIN . Seems to still be charging 12.53v at idle and 13.64 at around 3000 rpm with brights on, running lights & extra tail lamps. Still waiting on the new stator & regulator. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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Putz0999		#16	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 2478 09/05/07 9:23 AM	Ragtop, It was good to see you again on the PGR mission to Ohio. Have you checked each leg of the stator?? You can run the bike with the plug disconnected and measure each leg of the stator. You should be able to measure the output current of each phase and verify that the stator is defective. All it takes is one phase to be acting up. That's what happened with mine. Two phases were fine, but the third was out of whack. The overall impact was that it was only putting out about 12.2 VDC and the 'T' needs about 12.5 to stay running. I was able to jump/charge the battery and could run for 30-50 miles while it would gradually drained the battery. (That's how I got home from the PGR mission when mine went out. OJMay escorted me home since he only lives a couple miles from me.) With the melted plug, it seems like the voltage regulator may be the culprit. Let me know when you want to change it out. I might be able to stop by and watch you get dirty. Ride safe. Putz
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ragtop69gs		#17	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 09/07/07 5:59 PM	got the parts, now I just need to do it Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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ragtop69gs		#18	[url]	[-]
HSATF 1st Officer Posts: 1023 09/10/07 6:01 PM	The new stator and regulator are installed now. Now getting 13.88v max till I get to higher rpms ( sorry I don't have a tach) then it drops off to 12.7v. I have cleaned every ground I could find and don't know why output drops off at higher engine speeds. Maybe an email to Honda technical support will help to unravel this mystery we all seem to be effected by. Nothing to lose by trying. Jay Patriot Guard Rider http://www.patriotguard.org/ 98' T Black & Chrome 69' Buick GS 400 Conv. " Never ride faster than your angel can fly" "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration" *Some people are like a Slinky .. not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you shove them down the stairs.*
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Fredrider		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6284 09/11/07 4:21 PM	Jay, My ground plug contacts were already clean. I get about the same voltages as you at the same speeds. Honda should have an answer for why the T Service Manual says we should get higher voltage at higher engine speeds and we both get lower voltage at higher speed. According to the Manual we need new stators, regulators or both. Fred
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mktobob		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2320 09/11/07 4:55 PM	I get the same readings....so far no problems. I have learned to live with it. I bet many of our bikes have the same numbers. Bob
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