Well, I have a problem and hope I can get some help since I can't figure it out. I had my T sitting up for almost a year and when I decided to get it out
I couldn't get it to start. I took it to the Honda shop and had the carbs cleaned and tank flushed. I got it back and it cranks right up with no problem
and idles great. When I ride it and take it nice and slow it runs good. If I get on it to get up on a freeway or try to pass someone it coughs and backfires.
Well like I said, I had the carbs cleaned and tank flushed. In addition to this I changed the plugs and changed the air filter. Now I'm not sure what
else to do. I would appreciate any suggestion or help. Thanks in advance.
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Posts: 104 08/02/08 10:19 PM |
Tex,
If I were you I'd try the fuel filter, that's what it sounds like to me. After a year of stoage you could have all kinds of junk in it. |
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Posts: 22 08/02/08 10:32 PM |
Thanks ta, I'll try that next. If anyone has any other ideas keep them coming.....
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Posts: 5040 08/02/08 11:12 PM |
Since the bike sat long enough to foul the carbs and tank, I'd be willing to bet the fuel filter is gummed up also. Cheap fix if it is and probably need a
new one anyway.
Stan  "We are different - yet we are the
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Posts: 22 08/10/08 12:26 AM |
Well ok, I haven't got to it yet but plan on it within the next week. After waiting tropical storm Edouard out and working, I finally got down to the Honda
shop. You know I kind of wonder about these people at times. I thought before I went in and got my fuel filter I would go back to the service dept. and tell
them what was going on. They said bring the bike back in because it sounds like maybe the tech didn't do something right. I told them I was thinking about
changing the fuel filter first and they said there wasn't one on it. Funny, it seems the service manual I have, the service manual the parts dept. has, and
the microfish in the parts dept. has, plus the filter itself that I purchased all show my bike has a filter including myself looking at it on my bike. Well
hopefully this week I'm going to change out that non-existing fuel filter and if that doesn't work at least I can still take it in for free......I will
let ya'll know the outcome.
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Posts: 522 08/18/08 2:45 PM Road Captain |
This morning my T wasn't as easy to get going as usual. I was gone last week so hadn't ridden for over a week. It sounded like it wasn't getting
enough gas for a bit. Sounds like a fuel filter wouldn't hurt. Let us know where you purchase the non-existent fuel filter.
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texrider326....I trust that you're never going to let that Honda Shop touch your Tourer, until they hire someone who knows something about anything!
alepel
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Posts: 22 08/27/08 4:30 PM |
Sorry it has been so long since I got back with the outcome but work has been murder lately. I changed out the fuel filter and it didn't help the problem.
I took it back to the honda shop, and of course you know I showed them that non-existing fuel filter. Well after they looked at me kind of funny they said they
would check it out. Well according to them the exhaust is plugged and I'm getting too much back pressure. Don't know whether to believe them or not but
since I do have the stock exhaust and have around 25000 miles on it, I was thinking about doing something to the exhaust but just not sure what I want to do
yet. Was thinking about the after market exhaust but not sure if I want anything that loud so I'm still playing around with the idea of what to do. After I
decide and change or modify my exhaust I will let ya'll know if it helps. Now if this doesn't help I won't know where to turn.....
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Posts: 220 08/28/08 1:14 PM |
Will a T run with a bad fuel pump on just gravity feed? Have you checked the fuel pump output? Although it is possible mice or mud daubers built a nest in your
exhaust system. Pull the mufflers and take it for a run. When the tank was flushed was the petcock assy removed and cleaned? Find a real mechanic........
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Posts: 963 08/28/08 9:17 PM |
I have to agree w/alan. Sounds like they're clueless and are now guessing at your expense.
Be aware in stock form, the left muffler has considerably less output than the right one. The shop obviously doesn't know a T from a hole in the ground so they don't know the muffler outputs are not even. It's not too hard to drop either muffler off and then ride it like that to see if it makes any difference. Don't forget your earplugs. It'll be loud and not pretty. btw, is this Pasadena Honda doing the work?
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Posts: 22 08/30/08 2:55 PM |
Yes it was Pasadena Honda that was doing the work. I took the exhaust off. Didn't ride it without any exhaust but did cut off the ends with the resonator
and put the mufflers back on. Have to admit, it sounded good but did not help the problem any. I'm not sure how to get the rest of the insides out, and not
sure it would even help if I did. I do know the petcock and fuel tank were cleaned. I know they had to have done something to the carbs the first time it was
in because it didn't run at all at that time, and when I got it back it starts right up and don't even have to use the choke. It runs just fine at
slower speeds or if I gradually accellerate, but if I get on it to get up on the highway or something it just start backfiring and coughing. I am debating on
taking out any more of the insides of the mufflers and not sure how to do it if I decide to. Still working on the problem though and any more input would be
appreciated.
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Posts: 22 08/30/08 5:08 PM |
Ok, I took the exhaust off and got the first baffle out. Did help a little but not enough to make a difference. Took the mufflers off, didn't help any
more. Don't want to take 2nd baffle out, it will be too loud then. Ok, here is the deal now. Can't take it back to Honda shop, don't want to deal
with them anymore. Took it out for a ride. Can get up to 60 mph if I take it nice and slow, starts cutting out past that. And if I try to get on it, it cuts
out, backfires, coughs at any speed, however you say it, it just doesn't run like it should, so now I'm really open to any suggestions, any shops near
La Porte, Texas, or any mechanics, anything would help.
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Posts: 963 08/31/08 9:21 AM |
I don't really know any independent shops in LaPorte, but Discount Motorcycle Tires in Pasadena generally does good work. I've only had them put on
tires on carry-in wheels so I don't have any firsthand knowlege myself but they are always busy and have a diversity of customers.
Down in League City, X-It Cycles on Main St has a good rep. There's also Texas Cycle Center on FM 270 (Egret Bay Blvd). Elson is a former race mechanic but is basically a one-man shop and is very busy so you'd have to be patient with him. I was trying to recall some of the other instances of power loss like you're experiencing that have been posted but didn't find anyone had a definitive solution either. check the coils and that the ignition wires are not crossed. you may want to check the fuel pump flow and pressure. Question: how does the bike run with the choke on? if it is fuel starved, engaging the enrichment valve should have a positive effect.
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Posts: 22 08/31/08 3:13 PM |
I have checked with Discount Motorcycle Tire and they said they couldn't help me with that problem, but they are good people, have them do alot for me in
the past, mostly tires like you. Having the choke on makes no difference, it does the same. I thought last night I saw a fuel hose that was pinched. It
didn't help either. I am going to look at all my fuel and vacuum hoses next for any plugging or anything. I just don't get it, runs great unless you
get on it and then it coughs and sputters like it is staving for fuel.
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This may be a long shot but how old is your T's battery? A battery that is on the way out can cause all kinds of weird things to happen. I have heard this
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alan |
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Posts: 220 09/01/08 2:51 PM |
It starts up cold without the choke. Big flag waving. When the choke lever says fully open is the choke really open? As in improper cable or choke adjustment.
Were the air adjustment plugs drilled out? How about float drop? You need a real mechanic with a service manual with carb specs. You don't need to destroy
a perfectly good exhaust system. All your symptoms seem to point to too much gas or too little air. These are basic bikes and require very little technical
wizardry to work on, just a basic knowledge of how gas engines work.
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Posts: 963 09/03/08 8:43 AM |
If the choke is operating correctly (i.e. not stuck open) but makes not difference in how the bike runs, then I would look for an ignition problem rather than
a fuel problem.
Check for spark leak on the ignition wires. Take a spray bottle and mist water on the wires while the engine is running. If the wire insulation is bad, sparks will start jumping out of the ignition wires to ground. It's a neat light show! As aforementioned, if the battery is weak, it could affect the coils' ability to make a good spark at high rpm. Remember the charging system on the Shadow is not very robust. I think I've noticed my bike does run a little smoother when the battery is full.
duke
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Posts: 22 09/03/08 8:03 PM |
Well I got my new battery today and have it on trickle charge overnight like I was told to do. I will install it tomorrow and keep my fingers crossed. Will let
you know the results tomorrow.
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txrider326 |
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Posts: 22 09/04/08 9:07 AM |
Ok, tried the battery thing and it didn't help. Also all vacuum and vent tubing seems to be fine. It does seem to be getting a little better the more miles
I'm putting on it. About due for an oil change also so, going to put a little seafoam in crankcase and tank and see what that does next.
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alan |
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Posts: 220 09/05/08 1:38 PM |
Let's go from the start. Ran good until you left it set without draining the carbs and float bowls. Took it to be "fixed" by some
"techs" who didn't even know the bike has a fuel filter. They cleaned and reinstalled the carbs and now it has accel probs. Hmmmmm. What is the
common denominator here? Duh...... dumbells and carbs???? If the choke is operating correctly....... not half CLOSED......! What does the exhaust smell like?
Have you disconnected the fuel line at the carburetor to see how far the fuel pump squirts gas? That's the test from the Honda service manual if I remember
correctly. You need a real mechanic. You exceeded the limits of your knowledge when you left the bike for an extended period without turning off the gas,
running it til it stopped, and draining the float bowls. Sigh.
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